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Pemphigus.
January 11th, 2008 by Tiff

 Pemphigus and Bullous pemphigoid are  autoimmune diseases that cause blistering of the skin.

  • Bullous pemphigoid occurs when the immune system attacks the skin and causes blistering.
  • People develop large, itchy blisters with areas of inflamed skin.
  • Doctors can diagnose bullous pemphigoid by examining skin samples under a microscope and checking for certain antibody deposits.
  • Treatment involves corticosteroids and drugs that suppress the immune system.

 

Bullous pemphigoid tends to occur mainly in older people. It is a less serious disease than pemphigus, is rarely fatal, and does not result in widespread peeling of skin. It can involve a large portion of the skin, however, and can be very uncomfortable, with itchiness often the first sign of the disease.

In bullous pemphigoid, the immune system forms antibodies directed against the skin, resulting in large, tense, very itchy blisters surrounded by areas of red, inflamed skin. Blisters in the mouth are uncommon and are not severe. The areas of skin that are not blistered appear normal.

Diagnosis and Treatment

Doctors usually recognize bullous pemphigoid by its characteristic blisters. However, it is not always easy to distinguish it from pemphigus vulgaris and other blistering conditions, such as severe poison ivy. Bullous pemphigoid is diagnosed with certainty by examining a sample of skin under a microscope (skin biopsy). Doctors differentiate bullous pemphigoid from pemphigus vulgaris by noting the layers of skin involved and the particular appearance of antibody deposits.

Mild bullous pemphigoid sometimes resolves without treatment, but resolution usually takes months or years. Therefore, most people receive drug therapy. Nearly everyone responds quickly to high-dose corticosteroids, which are tapered after several weeks. The combination of nicotinamide and minocycline Some Trade Names
MINOCIN
or tetracycline is sometimes successful. Sometimes azathioprine Some Trade Names
IMURAN
or cyclophosphamide Some Trade Names
CYTOXAN
is given as well for more severe disease. Immunoglobulin given intravenously is a safe, promising new treatment, especially for people who do not respond to conventional drug therapy. Although some local skin care may be needed, most people do not require hospitalization or intensive skin care treatment.

Auto-immune diseases are caused when the immune system starts attacking the patient’s own body. The immune system is very complex, and the underlying mechanism of auto-immunity is not well understood.

Auto-immune blistering diseases are a group of auto-immune diseases which affect the skin, although auto-immune diseases occur in many other systems of the body. For example, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and crohn’s disease) are auto-immune diseases of the intestine, and multiple sclerosis is an auto-immune disease which affects the nervous system.

In auto-immune blistering diseases, the body makes antibodies against the adhesion proteins in the skin. Different proteins are affected in different types of diseases.

Pemphigus

Pemphigus is rare, with about 1 new case / 1 000 000 people / year. There are 3 types: pemphigus vulgaris, pemphigus foliaceus and paraneoplastic pemphigus.

Source

Ivy has been diagnosed with Pemphigus foliaceus.

These first photos are when the outbreak is in the acute phase. There have been at least eight cycles over the last ten weeks. This is the blistering phase.

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You can enlarge any of the photos. 24 hours before the blisters appear the area becomes red and swollen.

After the blisters appear, they burst within hours, leaving old skin and new raw skin underneath. This is the most painful stage.

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Following this stage there are sometimes weeping sores and red, bubbly areas, that join together and then form a crust. It is still quite sore at this stage.

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The final stage is as the skin dries out. It takes on a brown, leathery appearance. It peels away to leave new, healed skin.

There is discolouration of this skin and sometimes the blisters start before all of the old skin has peeled away.

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Today, 11/01/08 we are at the brown peeling stage. It is the second day of treatment on Prednisone. If this medicine works we hope to see, no new erruptions and the traumatised area beginning to heal.

Here are the photos from day 1 - 2.

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Here are the photos from day 2 -3.

This first one is taken in the morning, 12/01/08 after all the brown, dead skin has come away. It looks quite good.

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These ones were taken this evening. There are some red areas that look like they may errupt again. Fingers crossed that they will keep clearing.

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13/01/08 day 3- 4

I think we might be getting somewhere…

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14/01/08, day 4 - 5 of treatment.

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15/01/08

Ivy has had a really bad day. Her bottom has become red and inflamed. No pictures today because she was in too much pain.

16/01/08

Still a little red and Ivy is complaining that her bottom is sore. She won’t sit on it and is in pain when she walks but there are no new erruptions!!!!

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17/01/08

I think I am going to officially start celebrating. We seem to have skipped the blistering stage and moved straight to the leathery peeling stage.

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18/01/08

Ivy had a fantastic day but during the afternoon started complaining of having a sore bottom again. No erruptions though and no new red areas.

19/01/08

A very bad day. David changed ivy’s nappy and it looked a little red. Within an hour her bottom looked like this:

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and so we start again.

23/01/08

Taken at night. Reducing Pred tomorrow.

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25/01/08

Ivy’s bottom is blistered again. There are some new areas affected too, the groin creases and the labia and one blister on her lip. The blisters appear different, in that they are smaller and more fragile than before the prednisone. They burst very easily and become red and painful areas just like before commencing Pred.

The paediatrician has asked that we stay with the decreased dose though.

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Things have gone from bad to worse and so on Thursday 31st January, instead of decreasing the prednisone dose we will increase it back up to full.

4/2/08

New erruption of blisters exactly five days after the last outbreak. No longer only on the buttocks. Now on the legs and insode Ivy’s mouth.

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March: Official immunoflourescence direct and indirect diagnosis of Pemphigus, immune deficiency and Ectodermal Dysplasia.

April: Commenced Dapsone.

Dapsone failed: Methaemoglobinaemia, new outbreak of blisters

May: Commenced Mycophenolate.

Further  serum testing has come back equivocal, based on testing done, while on prednisone.

June: Mycophenolate titrated up to full dose, prednisone reduction begins. Two small outbreaks associated with illness

July: Prednisone reduction continues.

17/07/08 - 2.2mls on alternate days 3mls with Cellcept (mycophenolate) 2mls twice daily. Started to become erythmatous tonight, buttocks are red and swollen.

September 2008 - IVIG (Intragam P) commenced.

May 2009 -  Condition stable on Mycophenolate , Prednisone 10mg/15mg (2mls/3mls)  alternating dose and IVIG. Outbreaks only occur when Ivy is very unwell or if I try to reduce the prednisone too fast. Weaning of the prednisone continues slowly.

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47 Responses  
MamaLee (3 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am

The poor thing. I think it’s good to post these photos - like I always say, knowledge is power.

Hugs from miles away…xoxo

Trish (241 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 12:38 am

My heart goes out to your both Tiff … it must be so painful and uncomfortable for Ivy - can she still wear cloth nappies or nothing ?

Liz writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:23 am

Oh my goodness, poor little girl. I’m sure she has no idea what hit her. I feel for her and for you. I think its good to document this, it will be something to look back on one day as a distant memory. I’m so sorry. Hugs.

Dawn (26 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 3:13 am

Oh poor kid- I really didn’t get it till now. And yes, knowledge is power.

Guera (149 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 3:39 am

Oh my goodness, the poor little girl! That looks very painful and must be very difficult for you to care for, not to mention heartbreaking. Everything crossed that the new medication works.

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am

You could have explained to us 1000 times just how bad it was, but I don’t think any of us would have realised what it was truly like.

I am crossing everything SO HARD that the new treatment plan works.

Poor poor Ivy girl.

childlife (38 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am

Oh, poor baby! That is just heart-wrenching Tiff! Praying that the prednisone works - for both your sakes.

kim (30 comments.) writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Oh Sweetheart when you said Blisters I never imagined these Blisters..Oh Sweetheart!! and the doctors had dismissed this as thrush??? WTF…

Words just aren’t enough sometimes..

(((HUGS)))
xxx Kim xxx

river writes:
January 12th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

When you first named the disease I googled it and saw pictures there and almost cried for the pain Ivy must be going through. Now I see this on her and blinked away tears again. I’m horrified that you’ve been trying to find out what this was for sooo, so long. I’m glad treatment has now started and I hope it works spectacularly.

Boneblower (33 comments.) writes:
January 13th, 2008 at 12:00 am

Oh Tiff, my heart goes out to you all - especially you and Ivy. I pray the prednisone does what they hope it will. Hugs, tears and more hugs xox

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
January 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

It is looking better. Heaps better. Crossing fingers that the red bits don’t erupt again. Is she seeming happier?

Fionajill (6 comments.) writes:
January 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

That is heart breaking Tiff.
I hope & pray that this treatment works.

Is it only her bottom that these blisters break out on? Have the Dr’s (or any of your own reasearch) explained why it only (if it is) happens there?

Betsy (88 comments.) writes:
January 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Prayers and more prayers. My heart breaks for your little girl, I can not imagine all of your frustration and anger. Be well little Ivy, be well. Hang in there!

kim aka frogpondsrock (30 comments.) writes:
January 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Her poor little bottom is looking a bit better… Fingers crossed that she heals up…(((Hugs)))
and Kisses too

Kim xxx

childlife (38 comments.) writes:
January 17th, 2008 at 11:20 am

Wow - That is looking quite a bit better! Praying that it keeps working!

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
January 17th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

WOOT! No blisters! *dances* I truly hope that the prednisone eventually completely stops the cycle.

Trish (241 comments.) writes:
January 18th, 2008 at 1:10 am

wow what an improvement - haven’t heard from you about tomorrow ?

Fionajill (6 comments.) writes:
January 18th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Fingers Crossed!!!

Bettina (96 comments.) writes:
January 19th, 2008 at 11:55 am

poor little luv. I hope something starts to work soon so she can have some relief

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
January 19th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Oh poor little pet. I was being so hopeful too!

Summer (42 comments.) writes:
January 21st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Good heavens. I never imagined this when you spoke of it. How can they possibly think that is a simple yeast rash?!? My heart breaks for little Ivy. And you.

Sueblimely (25 comments.) writes:
January 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 am

I find it hard to believe the docs were fobbing you off and not very seriously looking for a cause for this. Before you got your diagnosis what on earth were they attributing it to? My son had allergy problem rashes, thrush etc but nothing like this.

Betsy (88 comments.) writes:
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm

WHY? WHY? WHY?! I cannot imagine your frustration. Hang in there. Poor little thing…

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
January 26th, 2008 at 9:17 am

Poor Ivy! I wish there was something better they could do.

Reduce the pred and the blisters come back increase it and you have roid rage. A rock and a hard place honey.

Fionajill (6 comments.) writes:
January 26th, 2008 at 10:26 am

You have my permission to break something if you like. It must be so frustrating!

cellobella (20 comments.) writes:
January 29th, 2008 at 1:08 am

I never imagined how bad it was. My thoughts and hopes are with you that this treatment works.
xx

Maria (25 comments.) writes:
February 4th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Ugh- poor baby! I’m so sorry!!

Can I ask what this condition is called?

Trish (241 comments.) writes:
February 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

oh Tiff- poor Ivy - I am lost for words. Hope the increase in Pred. starts to work.
Without having seen it for real you can’t imagine what poor Ivy is going through.It is a lot for a young toddler to put up with let alone her mum.
Hope the new meds kick in too .Thinking of you.

Veronica (420 comments.) writes:
February 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Ouch ouch ouch!

Poor Ivy girl. This sucks for her and for you. (((hugs)))

Fionajill (6 comments.) writes:
February 4th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

I’m so sorry tiff

Marylin (78 comments.) writes:
February 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am

oh no, poor little thing. I can only imagine how awful this must be for you all :(

Missy writes:
April 4th, 2008 at 6:38 am

OMGOSH Tiff your poor little girl. Im so so sorry she has gone through that. Of cause for you to have to watch, a mother couldnt have to see her children suffer like that.

You have been through so much since ive met you and you are the strongest lady I know. I really hope things look up for you and little Ivy.

Take care hun

Oh and happy birthday to little william. xx

Dr.Cason (16 comments.) writes:
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 pm

I’ve never seen Pemphigus before. I would have called it Bullous Impetigo but my guess is that this kept coming back!

Very interesting from a pediatrician perspective- I won’t forget this diagnosis- thank you and very sad for your poor daughter. The pain she must go through. It must be hard as her mommy to watch her go through this.

Ed writes:
July 17th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Oh my Gosh!!

My mom got hit with this in Dec-2007. At first she thought it was just a rash. The itching was so bad that she used hydrocortisone cream on the affected areas. That didn’t work. Then she tried poison oak treatment but that didn’t work either.

Her doctor misdiagnosed her with scabies. The scabies medication didn’t work either.

The little bumps got worse and became blisters… and huge ones too! My mom couldn’t sit on the toilet seat because it was so painful. The blisters were from the neck down.

We went to the ER and finally it was properly diagnosed as Bullous Pemphigoid. My mom was given a prescription of 100 mg prednisone. Unfortunately, that was on a Friday and my mom’s condition got worse over the weekend. Blisters were popping up and some were breaking.

We went to the dermatologist and they said that they could no longer handle her condition in the office environment. They sent her to U.C. Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, CA. The dermatologist said that she had to get my mom there because they have a burn unit.

The doctor was concerned that when the blisters popped or broke, my mom would rapidly dehydrate like a burn victim dehydrates.

They put her on IV’s and also, they removed 2 out of 3 high blood pressure medications that she was taking!!! The doctors suspected that Norvasc and Benazapryl probably were triggering my mom’s problems. They said that long term use of high blood pressure medications can trigger Bullous Pemphigoid in elderly people.

They continued to give my mom a minimum of 60 mg prednisone along with an immunosuppressant drug Azathioprine.

The nurses would cut my mom’s blisters and put special dressings on her. The blisters finally stopped after a few days. I wish I would’ve kept good notes like you did for your daughter’s case.

My mom was released to a professional nursing facility for 21 days. There was no way that my brother and I could take care of her because of the locations of some of the wounds in the crotch area and underarm pits. My mom was still in a lot of pain.

We got her home and had a follow up visit with my mom’s primary care physician. The nurse noticed that my mom was jaundiced!!! It turns out that her body was rejecting the Azathioprine! It was poisoning her liver!!!

So she was admitted through ER and hospitalized again. She had lots of blood work done and a liver biopsy. It was confirmed. Her liver was being poisoned by the Azathioprine.

So we stopped the Azathioprine. She no longer had blisters… Until a few days later and they started coming back!

The dermatologist increased her prednisone again and the blisters started going away. Later the dermatologist said that we cannot keep my mom on prednisone since long term use is NOT good.

After she was released from the hospital, we started to taper her prednisone dose from 60 mg down to about 25. The blisters started to come back.

The dermatologist said that my mom would have to be put on another oral immunosuppressant drug or go into immunoglobin (IVIG) therapy. She chose the new oral drug, Cellcept. It is EXPENSIVE!! The doctor said that it would take about 6 to 8 weeks before the Cellcept would kick in.

In the meanwhile, my mom had to take 40 mg of prednisone daily along with Tetracycline and Nicomide.

My mom is still on prednisone and we have tapered her from 40 mg daily to 20 mg and are continuing to taper. So far, no new blisters. But her skin develops a brown discoloration every now and then, but no itching and no blisters.

The pharmacist suspects that my mom might have to take Cellcept for the rest of her life. As for IVIG, it sounded great in theory, but the idea of having to get frequent IV’s for long periods of time didn’t appeal to her would be too inconvenient.

I pray that Ivy will get through this very difficult time in her life. Take care.

Hyphen Mama (72 comments.) writes:
August 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Hi Tiff~
I am just now getting over to visit you after you so kindly visited me a few weeks ago. I recognize your name around the Tasmanian blogs I frequent.

I have spent a few hours reading up on your story. I want to reach out and give you a hug. You had me at “little brown mouse” because that describes me, too! I had 2 c-section births, my first baby was breech, the second was elective. I’ve been reading the stories of your babies and crying and cheering with Ivy and Noah’s birth.

I see so many similarities (in myself) in your philosophy of life and your midwives’ readings of breech babies, letting go of the past pain, etc. That is something very few American doctors would ever consider–the body as a whole with it’s soul and trusting the soul’s instinct to know what is right. I have spent my adult life putting those puzzle pieces together finding the truth that my soul knows to be, in an age of materialism and petty superficiality. You amaze me. Not many women speak freely about trusting the soul in the depth of your being.

I know you don’t need even one more bit of suggestion for Ivy’s condition… I don’t have pemphigus. I DO have a different autoimmune disease that I’ve struggled with for 12 years and was told I’d need to be on pred the rest of my life, or until it destroyed my organs and I’d need a transplant. I need to read deeper into your archives about Ivy’s condition, but that may not happen tonight and I’ve got this ‘holistic’ thing on the brain and I’m going to share it and if you’ve done it, great and it’s none of my business. Have you tried acupuncture (probably more acupressure since she’s so little) AND the diet that is specialized for her blood type? Hold on, I just googled and found this: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=58276

I’ve heard amazing results for people having all types of autoimmune disorders/diseases who have gone into remission with the Eating For Your Blood Type theory.

My autoimmune disease can be controlled using vitamin/mineral supplements and acupuncture. I thought I’d live the rest of my life in excruciating pain and I have been in remission for several years. I’m so happy about it, I can’t help but tell the world in the hopes that anyone with another autoimmune disease can find relief, too.

So glad to meet you Tiff. I am subscribing to your site.

SO much love and light to you and Ivy. Nothing is more heartbreaking than watching our children in pain.

witchypoo (1 comments.) writes:
August 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am

A circle met tonight to send healing to wee Ivy, and I pray that you will see results soon. Our healing guides will be with her in the dreamtime as well.

mp (9 comments.) writes:
September 5th, 2008 at 5:22 am

Oh my..poor poor sweet thing… I can’t imagine..poor dear

Rebecca (1 comments.) writes:
September 6th, 2008 at 11:16 am

Hi Tiff,

My name is Rebecca and I have Pemphigus as well. I work with the International Pemphigus and Pemphigoid Foundation. Have you contacted anyone at the organization? Often, they can help get you settled with a specialist who can work with your local docs, advice on dealing with insurance matters and advocacy to support you.

Of course, best of all, we KNOW how awful Pemphigus is because we live with it. Some have found remission, but on the whole, we have all suffered the ups and downs.

I have heard more than one story about a person as young as Ivy getting the proper treatment and then putting it behind him/her. In fact, if you look at our website, you’ll see some pictures flash by. One of them is of a little boy. I believe he had PV when he was 2 and hasn’t seen it since so far as I know–so I hope that gives you some hope.

Please let me/us know what we can do to help you through this. We firmly believe that helping each other eases some of the pain and frustration.

Blessings for a blisterfree night!

Rebecca

MELISSA writes:
September 6th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

WHAT A POOR LITTLE POSSUM. LIFE IS JUST SO CRUEL FOR SUCH A GORGEOUS SWEET LITTLE GIRL, MY PRAYERS GO OUT AND HOPE THAT THEY FIND AN ANSWER TO GET YOUR SWEET LITTLE GIRL FROM PAIN AND SUFFERING

Sally Hardy writes:
September 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Hi Tiff,
My name is Sally Hardy and I have Pemphigus Vulgaris (PV). I have had this since 2004. I was 29 at diagnosis and I know how very scary and painful this was. My heart goes out to your precious Ivy for what she is going through. Things will get better. Please believe that. I had a lot of ups and downs, but I have actually been in REMISSION with no medications since January of 2007. I know that Ivy can get there to.

One of the most important things is to see a dermatologist who has much experience with dealing with this. Someone who can get her on the right meds at the right doses and get this thing under control. The International Pemphigus & Pemphigoid Foundation (IPPF) (www.pemphigus.org) can help with this if you need it. Their support group and all the information I have gained from them and other people who have this disease was literally a lifesaver.

There is so much hope. You’ve been through so much and I know you can get through this. My prayers are with little Ivy.

You may email me any time you like.
Sally Hardy
United States (West Virginia)
JohnRHardy@Comcast.net

Natalie writes:
September 8th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Tiff, sending love to you and your family.

Jess ward writes:
September 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

I am so sorry ur lil girl has to go through such a painful time. the pictures u posted made me just wanna cry and say lets do what we can to help her.

Rhonda Malcolm writes:
September 9th, 2008 at 5:05 am

Hi my name is Rhonda Malcolm and I was diagnosed with pemphigus in 2005. I am doing much better with low doses of prednisone, imuran and vitamins. My heart goes out to you all- I just wanted to give you all hope. I was hospitalized for a month in a burn unit but managed to pull out ok and my life is getting back to normal. The pictures gave me flashbacks and I know what your little baby is going through. Please contact someone from the pemphigus foundation http://www.pemphigus.org/ and join an email support group or two. These two things have helped to save my life and let me know I’m not alone in this.

You all are in my prayers
Blessings

Widdle Shamrock (101 comments.) writes:
September 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Tiff,

These are awful pictures and my heart goes out to wee Ivy and I really hope and pray that SOMETHING is done for your lovely wee girl.

Much love,

N.

Mrs. Schmitty (1 comments.) writes:
September 10th, 2008 at 3:47 am

Oh that poor baby! I am so sorry for Ivy. No child should have to endure such pain. My heart goes out to you and your beautiful daughter.

Parita Patel writes:
October 13th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Hi Tiff, Ivy, and Family,
I was diagnosed with Pephigus 2004 at age 21. I was treated with Prednisone and IViG on the onset once diagnosed. Have you considered such treatment? IViG helped me out. I know how painful it can be. Ivy is very lucky to have family that is helping her through this time. My parents support really helped me through my first flare up, support is key for patient and care givers.

http://www.pemphigus.org is a great site that can help Ivy and Family cope with PV.

It will get better, my thoughts and prayers are with Ivy and Family.
Parita

The big "G" writes:
June 26th, 2009 at 6:00 am

[...] but in the end, it was me who asked if she could try the prednisone because I had read that Pemphigus was steroid [...]

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